i know right, if we are paying, we should be able to watch dramas regardless of the region!!!
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I agree with @Wafaahs
I also noticed that most complainers have zero contributions on Viki. Thatâs fine, your own choice and I donât tell you to contribute but then donât complain you have to pay. Viki doesnât force you to pay, they give you two options:
- Pay for VikiPass
- Be A QC and get VikiPass for FREE
I donât wanna know how much money it costs to keep this site running and a license for a series costs a fortune too.
About paying and then see everything, no other site has that option, why? Becuase they need to keep to the rules the content provider gives. If they say âUS only and QCâ Viki canât make it âUS only, QC and VikiPass ownersâ if they would do that no content owner would work with Viki again because they didnât stick to the rules. They might even get sued and need to pay a fine, there goes the money that could have been used on a license.
I work on Viki because I like to help out so I can watch my favorite series subbed and I find it only fair that QCâs get a VikiPass for free. And Viki is the best site out there in my opinion, no other sites like this has a system like this that allows me to watch almost everything while being from Europe. Yes I think people from the US are spoiled at that point, they have so many options next to Viki and most content on Viki does have a US license. For Europe Viki is the ONLY option to watch legal, a license for Europe is still kind of rare, not to mention if itâs an on air series like Heirs.
Thatâs also why I started to contribute soon after I joined and I had my QC status within 2-3 days I think. What are those 3 days if I now can enjoy so much more on Viki?
Ohh and you donât order a big mac at burger king and I find it disrespectful towards every QC to mention sites here which offers illegal content stolen from us. We worked hours to have things subbed, they stole it within a few seconds and now people here say hey go there? How rude.
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I donât mind. I think you can probably have HD for everyone & have other incentives to get people pay for a Viki Pass but I understand that a website needs money to maintain itself. My only problem is that there are SO MANY ads on each video. Kinda like 3 every 10 minutes? Why canât there 2-3 ads spread out? Is there a legal reason?
When dramas are an hour long that becomes very grating sitting through the ads (some that donât load and cause you to restart) and trying to keep your interest with all those interruptions. Being a QC is an option, yes, but also keep in mind not everyone has time for itâitâs work and a job and a responsibility after all, so I wouldnât be mad at anyone who doesnât choose or feel like they can take that on. People have to stop all the time when life gets in the way; itâs hard. Also, $4 a month isnât bad but this, too, is not an option for everyone so I also wouldnât be mad if emotions are running high.
Meet half-way, guys. Understand each other, lol.
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@Dudie Yep people from the US are too spoiled i guess.
Being from the middle east i am really grateful to viki, and i adore it and i thank them veryyyy much for this opportunity, i would have never been able to watch korean/taiwanese dramas without it, so i will always volunteer, and i love doing it. And i guess there is a bit of loyalty too.
But i donât want to hear someone referring to me as stupid for doing that, because i am receiving much more from viki than what i am giving, the way i see it at least.
and as you said dudie 2-3 days are nothing compared to all the shows viki provide.
So it would be so appreciated if people stopped criticizing, everyone is free to do what they want just donât criticize.
@canxi you donât have to do like 1000 subs/segs per day to be considered as volunteer and become a QC, you can do like 20-30 segs/subs a day and it wouldnât take 20-30 mns of your time i donât think that is much, you are going to watch stuff anyways and that is way more time consuming.
But, If you donât want that donât complain, buying a cable subscription to see those shows would cost way more than $4 a month feel free to do that, if it is actually available.
Donât come blaming viki for wanting a fee for the quality of videos while you yourself are not willing to do a thing to help out, seriously why should viki bother giving away free stuff to people who in the end wonât appreciate it?
But, I wasnât complainingâŠdid you read my whole comment? The only thing I dislike is the amount of advertisements. I donât mind the fee, but as I said, itâs not an option for everyone just as a cable subscription isnât, so why get mad if someone got upset most likely because of that reason? Now, you are just turning people into enemies. Itâs like you picked certain things out of my comment that you didnât like but didnât read anythingâŠ
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it wasnât you i was referring to lol i was just talking in general, how this discussion topic is absurd.
@canxi The great thing about Viki is you can help out when you want and when you have time.
Yes for popular series itâs important you have time on certain days/times but for older series it isnât that way.
When Iâm not in the mood to seg or have other plans then I donât seg. My real life is more important then Viki and always comes first.
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hummm 3000 subs⊠isnât too hard??? i would not say so.
i contributed to viki when i had time (a long time ago)⊠and translation takes a certain amount of time⊠so no, itâs not easy
afterall discussion itâs a place to share our point of view⊠anyone is impolite or incorrect, so i think changing our feeling itâs the best way to progress!
viki without their creators will surely doesnât exist⊠they struggle to create viikii at the begining , itâs was a big challenge: provide for free videos from differents countries, and make people from all around the world contribute to translate (download,segmentâŠ) and share their culture and feeling about it! I was totally amazed by this project: no other site on the web provide this kind of flexibility to contribute freely; and by this community of devotee (that is what make me join this adventure)
and itâs all the contributors and the viewers (see some good drama/soaps with a low adience in VIKI are barely translate!) that make the SUCCES of VIKI âŠ
iâm also disappointing by this new system⊠not by the fact that there are ads, but the way they force you to see them⊠every time you move the curser in a video, you lose 25s of your time!!! what the hell??? even youtube is not that rude!!
and there quite space where they can add advertising (banners and videos) without hinder our viewing!!
i donât understand this new policy and really i donât recognize at all what was VIIKII at first! (a few years ago i donât understand why a moderator (that i forgot the name) was septic when viikii became viki, and the way that all will change and not necessarily for the best⊠i understand now why!!!)
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Je vois que tu as traduit en français, il y a 1 an donc je te rĂ©ponds en français, Tu as dĂ©jĂ fait 2000 sous-titres environ, il ne tâen reste donc que 1000 Ă faire et ainsi tu seras QC et auras tous les avantage des QC (en particulier plus de pub du tout !) on est toujours en manque de traducteurs un peu partout, nâhĂ©site donc pas Ă recommencer Ă traduire, il y a plein de drama ou tu seras bien accueilli !
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pas de souci, je comprend plus que ne parle (et Ă©cris) anglais, donc tout me va!!!
en ce moment je nâai plus beaucoup de temps Ă moi pour traduire convenablement et surtout rĂ©gulierement! je reprendrai plutard car lâexperience Ă©tait plutot sympa (meme si câest un projet oĂč jâai partiellemt participĂ©, et qui maintenant nâest plus disponible⊠dommage car cette sĂ©rie indienne Ă©tait vraimt gĂ©niale!! bien plus que certains de nos dramas corĂ©ens!!)
je sais que cette mesure (vikipass) est faite pour prĂ©viligier ceux qui contribuent Ă viki de maniere active⊠mais je continue Ă penser que QC ou pas, ca reste un matraquage de publicitĂ© inexpliqué⊠et que progressivement viki se transforme (le changement câest maintenant!! =) ) et dĂ©vie un peu de ses principes premiers: nous faire partager des cultures venues dâailleurs par des gens qui viennent dâailleurs, avec un acces assez libre et confortable. Du moins câest comme ça que jâai dĂ©couvert viki, câest ce qui mâa touchĂ©, et poussĂ© Ă y participer!
et tout ça existe et surtout persiste à mon sens parce que tout est basé sur le désir du partage, le volontariat et la gratuité.
enfin bon, câest ce que je pense! en tout cas, ca fait plaisir de recevoir un message sur un ton aussi gentil⊠je te souhaite une agrĂ©able journĂ©e et peut etre Ă une prochaine fois sur un prochain projet!!!
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Ce sera avec plaisir ! Bonne journée à toi aussi !
Exactly! If I have to pay now, I want more benefits than HD and ad free. Iâm not going to pay for benefits that Iâve already had for free for years now due to AdBlock. I used this site for a while before I even decided to make an account a few years back so I could leave timed comments. I might as well just become a QC⊠which Iâm not really interested in because I lack the talent it takes to sub & segâŠ
Also, why is Viki charging us when volunteer seggers & subbers do most of the work for free?
I highly doubt Viki is going to start paying the hundreds of people who contribute.
I understand that other sites have people on their staff to run the site and write subtitles so they must make a profit, but Viki doesnât do any of the video work besides uploading the vidsâŠ
My loyalty meter dropped a few levels. Bum logic, Viki, bum logic.
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I mostly get what youâre trying to say, but I donât think youâre looking at it from a regular viewerâs point of view.
Not everybody is equal. Some people are just bad at things. Iâm horrible at segment timing and you can only do subbing if you know a foreign language well enough. Do you have any idea how many people are out there who only know their mother tongue? I know a little Korean but not nearly enough to be a subber. And honestly, if I knew Korean better I wouldnât be in need of subtitles, now would I?
Iâm a great editor, but they usually only need one of those per drama and that position usually goes to the same few people over and over again. From the viewpoint of other users, the team sometimes looks like an exclusive club. Becoming a QC is intimidating when youâre unsure of your ability to be of any help. The teams would just be annoyed with me if I tried to help and then accidentally messed something up. Itâs not quite as easy as you think. If we all became QCs, Viki would get too crowded.
Also, Viki only gives you worldwide access if youâre a QC, not if you buy a pass. I get worldwide, HD, and ad free if I pay at DF, plus DF has access to shows that Viki does not. If Iâm going to pay I would choose the better deal.
Iâve been loyal to Viki for years because of itâs unique environment. I watched shows on here long before I ever decided to make a user account. Now it feels like a cheap version of DF and Iâm sickened by it.
Sorry if you donât understand that.
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I agree with the QCs. I enjoy helping because I want people that donât understand korean to be able to watch dramas. I donât feel it is wrong to become a business and start charging, it is not like you canât watch anymore, it is just that you have to watch the adds. when we started to help, we all knew this is a volunteering job. However I do understand the complains, I am sure when they decided to have the viki pass, they knew some people wouldnât like it, some people would stop watching and that some people wouldnât mind paying 4 dollars to watch dramas. If u are not satisfied with the way it is now, you should totally look for something else. But what I donât agree is create a ton if topics saying how bad viki is or that this website is like other websites⊠It is a bit rude towards the people that work hard to get the license. The last couple if weeks viki got the license for most dramas airing in Korea. They are trying to improve this website and to do this they need more money.
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Donât forget. Thereâs also captioning . There are many series around here that need caption mostly in Korean/Chinese, but thereâs also English, French, Spanish, Vietnamese, Romanian, etc.
Or you can add a channel in your own language and caption that.
And even if the video-source is gone (i.e âJade Palace Lockheartâ), you can still access the Subtitle Editor. You may ask why would you caption/subtitle a TV series that hasnât got a video source⊠well then⊠I have no more alternatives.
Thereâs segmenting, subtitling and captioning.
I think Viki is changing, but not necessarily in a bad way. It was, from the start, based on volunteering, thus many people have or had a QC status. They didnât get an amazing treatment up until now, because even if they had access to all series, they were translated mostly in English. The other teams had to jump in and translate into their respective languages. Thus, in a way, earning their access to those TV series.
And these problems with commercials and video quality for non-QCs should be addressed to Viki.
- Regarding the VikiPass, there are 3 alternatives: segmenting, subtitling and captioning.
- Regarding the poor video quality after youâve paid the VikiPass, since Iâm a QC, I donât know. But! If youâve paid, there should be a quality equal with QCsâ quality. So, go tell Viki! Tell them now, organize yourselves, just tell them. Maybe itâs just a beta thing, maybe theyâre still working on it. Who will know if you donât ask?
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First off, for those who donât think Viki made a huge profit from the 200 million deal, you shouldnât be so naive. I am trying to say this in the kindest of ways.
From a non-contributorâs standpoint, what I see is this:
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It takes money to get the dramas. Viki saves a good amount of money by NOT having to pay for translators, segmentors and captioners.
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As such, it was the free work from the many hardworking volunteers to get Viki âon the mapâ and made it THE place go to to watch dramas. Really, what kind of business has free labor, CRUCIAL, labor to help it run? None! Even the American Red Cross and Salvation Army has to pay their workers.
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Hey if you are happy volunterering your time with helping Viki become a money making machine as the creators of Viki has said that it aims to become the âworldwide Huluâ, then thatâs your choice.
If I was a business investor, Iâd put money into Viki too. Vikiâs business expense is much lower better than DF or Hulu. because Viki has super loyal volunteers willing to work free, while DF and Hulu has to pay for the translators, segmenters and captioners!
Somewhere a small group of people are making alot of money on the backs of the volunteers here at Viki. I am just saying, you guys should be rewarded ALOT more than just QC status.
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you have a point however why a fixed monthly subscription? I wouldnât mind contributing something of my choosing like a donation for the whole year. Furthermore this site was originally started so that people could access free unpolluted (Ads) content. If monthly payment was the original aim they should have made this clear from the beginning then this post would not exist. We should have seen it coming guys all these website upgrades and changes cost money. Its been fun Viki Duces.
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Organize? Organize how? This site makes it very hard to tell where to direct complaints, there are no customer service options and no obvious place to report bugs. The reason I downloaded AdBlocker is because of this site and its horribly faulty commercials, the malfunctioning of which destroyed my viewing experience (and I see hasnât improved now that Iâm forced to watch ads again). Other than posting on these discussion threads I donât see anywhere to air my grievances, and since they donât seem to have a legitimate number of paid staff I am doubtful they will be fixed. If theyâre going to start charging money for even a semi-acceptable viewing experience, they need to have paid staff that are obligated to address customer concerns. An army of volunteers is impressive and all, but letâs not kid ourselves: this site is NOT a global version of Hulu.
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OK then. I see there are many people with moderate to big complaints to Viki. So:
- Speak amongst yourselves.
- Decide on a number of issues you want to forward to Viki
- Make a draft of that message, then ask everyone if itâs good enough and if they want to sign it.
- Sign as a group or in oneâs name, you decide.
- Forward the message at the Help Center
If Viki doesnât reply, try again with e-mails and such. You may try writing to the Admin here in the Forum Mariko
Or simple. Some e-mails from Viki staff: here
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Why would you start your sentence by saying ââŠpeople from the US are too spoiledâŠâ? How dare you?? Since you are from the Middle East, would you like to be painted with a broad brush by someone who says âpeople from the Middle East are______________â?
Fill in the blank with anything you desire. You know there are dozens of unsavory things that one could say about people from the Middle East. Would it apply to everyone there? No! Would it be fair? Absolutely not!!
As you said, you donât want to hear someone refer to you as stupid for a choice you made and I donât want to be referred to as spoiled simply because I HAPPEN to be born in the US. Take your own advice and stop criticizing AND passing unfair judgement on others.
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