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#316

Partial self-governing of this community is what is keeping a lot of us here and working efficiently and regularly. And, although it has some downsides, I prefer it this way.

There is not really a systematic Big Brother who monitors all the projects at all times. Too many projects, too little Viki employees.


#317

So you think I’m lazy who doesn’t care about her channel while you don’t know anything about what has been going on behind the scenes?!
I’m the CM of Sassy Girl for years and only recently it became fully subbed in English. People where thinking I did abonden the channel but really I wasn’t. I was actually trying my best to make it work and when I was about to give up Viki finally did help out.

The things I struggled with:

  • Very limited license so 95% off all subbers who could help where blocked out so even though it was fully segged within a few days the subbing would take a while.
  • Some abusers came in an copy pasted subs from Dramafever which is against Viki’s guidelines.
  • Asked Viki for help many times and all I’ve got was “We will look into it” and that was it. I asked them to send paid subbers but none where send.

And then suddenly earlier this year I got great news. Hurray! After all those years asking Viki for help finally paid off. And now we finally had it all rolling again, English sub is complete, Viki steps in and is troubling the French team again who is working on Sassy Girl.


#318

The current system makes it so much more difficult than it should be to just do the job we’re given. It’s not even that much to ask to be able to easily do our jobs without all the extra struggle and stress. Like for real. : /


#319

The strike issue was already a topic few weeks ago. I agree with lutra. If you organize a strike it doesn’t make sense just to name one thing when there are much more things that should be fixed.

Look at the ugly startpage now that is not what most volunteers wanted. VIKI said in the thread they’d “listen to our feedback” and what happened? Nothing. They just did it in the way they wanted, for mobile users and not for volunteers.

Most of the volunteers see their projects as a passion but in the end it’s also a question if and how long those who’re spending a huge amount of their time want to continue that under bad circumstances. There are other things how one could spend her/his time that may be less frustrating than working for free for VIKI.


#320

You are right. Maybe, that’s their choice. But I think no viewer will pay to see translations like these (I mean, it’s not about grammatical or other, it’s about comprehension). They will lose a lot.

Example in french on “age of legends”

Vikibot in french: “J’ ai initialement pensé à dire à Rong Rong tout une fois que Zhen Wu a terminé sa mission avec succès”

This sentence is a huge mess! I do not have the English sentence but I suppose this sentence need to be: “J’ai pensé tout révéler à Rong Rong quand Zhen Wu aurait terminé sa mission avec succès.” ou “J’ai pensé tout révéler à Rong Rong lorsque Zhen Wu aura fini sa mission avec succès.” It depends on the situation.

Vikibot french: “Déposé pour la retraire, et est retourné à Jiangbei”

Well, this sentence is really difficult to understand, maybe “Il a pris sa retraite et est retourné/rentré à Jiangbei” ? “À sa retraite, il est retourné à Jiangbei” ? Need the english translation to understand, sorry. In the vikibot sentence, we don’t know if it’s a boy or a girl… But ok… X=

Vikibot french: “Les laisser se réunir tous les deux”.

This sentence: “Laisse-les se remettre ensemble” ? It depends on the context for signification. It depends on the person for formal or informal “Laisse-les” or “laissez-les”…

So, why would someone pay for this? X)


#321

Hola me parece contra producente lo de no subtitular los dramas al aire, porque eso da paso a más quejas y a que Viki llegué a utilizar el Viki bot y haga así todo de ahora en adelante. Y sobre todo con dramas viejos. Entonces, pienso que eso es decisión de cada equipo y cada moderator si quiere o no dar go. Yo por mi parte tomaré una decisión.


#322

@camiille @giant_sean
We want a decisive response on this. Please respect the volunteers and Fans by delivering a better translation of this bot and sincere apologies from Viki to them this is necessary. maybe later it will be generalized to other languages, which makes everyone fearful of the next has begun to limit the basic languages of the site only 10 and now this bad thing and the next perhaps much worse :roll_eyes:
waiting for reply :confused:


#323

As a CM you are technically fully on charge of the project. There is absolutely no one (besides viewers) who are telling you what and when to do what. If you don’t gather and “hire” a good team, the channel doesn’t work. We as bozoli says. a basically a self- governed community, that’s why we have so many rules and we created them to keep a balance or else will be chaotic here. That’s part of why we are mad here. Because we keep this website running in some many ways and they just do this.

Over the years, WE have being the ones asking viki for restrictions, locks for the editor, blocks to protect our work and stuff, not THEM but us. Little by little we have built all this and they have responded with tools that we needed.


#324

De acuerdo con los "términos " de uso del vikibot, ellos no pueden hacer eso en dramas al aire. El supuesto uso del vikibot es para dramas que no estan moviéndose aunque nosotras sabemos que eso no es asi, porque estan borrando subtítulos que estaban bien. Solo es contraproducente porque los espectadores no saben lo que pasa y no saben porque no estamos subtitulando, pero eso ya se está solucionando con un correo que estamos preparando a nivel general en caso de que en Viki se hagan los locos. Cada una decide que quiere y que no quiere hacer ante esta situación, pero esta pelea no es solo del equipo de Francés, es de nuestra comunidad. Sé que el equipo inseparable, sita, eun_soo y el resto se han unido al paro por ahora, muchas subber de nuestro idioma no están trabajando así se envíen los GO porque entienden que esto nos puede pasar a todas el día de mañana, le levantas y tu subcounter bajó porque vikibot reemplazo todos tus subs en cierto drama. El vikibot desaparece todo tu trabajo, no lo edita.


#326

She doesn’t agree on adding some things besides your topic but I’ll stick with you anyway because I’ve learned that already translated dramas were all “re-translated” by Vikibot and the We Can’t Let it Slide :)) Let’s fight for the Respect We All Deserve :smiley:


#327

Sim,tínhamos feito uma greve de duas semanas, mas fazia uma semana que havíamos traduzido, e isso sem contar que durante todo o projeto fomos rápidas, assim que os episódios eram disponibilizados pela equipe inglês-coreano, em menos de duas horas no máximo, estava traduzido. E muito bem traduzido, diga-se de passagem. Viki não tinha razão /desculpa para fazer o que fez e sem sequer avisar as moderadoras. Ainda me sobe o sangue, quando lembro. Bem vinda à greve. Claro, independente de divergências, estamos lutando por respeito, por nosso trabalho, totalmente desmerecido por eles. Há um grave problema de confiança, já que Viki perdeu credibilidade por não manter as promessas e regras que eles mesmos fizeram. Sem contar a falta total de comunicação e respeito pelos voluntários! No momento me sinto como um objeto que Viki está usando e pode jogar fora quando não quiser ou não for mais útil. Creio que é o sentimento geral.


#328

I think it’s important for you to understand how vikibot is horrible in French language. Meaning, sentences, grammar, conjugation, formal / informal. Nothing is right. Nobody can understand. We can’t correct that, because it would not be “correct” but rather “translate again”.

Here are some example for you to understand. We will try to make them understandable for people who don’t speak our language too.

Screens from https://www.viki.com/tv/36324c-aino-mating-agency-inc?locale=fr :

Information : It’s writing like that in english because when she pronounces the word, she says it by insisting on each syllable. It’s a choice of the English team.

Correct translation is: “C’est suspect !”

Vikibot: “ça c’ est trop. C’ est délicieux!” -> meaning in english “This, that’s too much. It’s delicious!” + In french, there is a space before the "!" and as you can see, there is two space after “c’ est”, it’s not correct.

Correct translation :” - Une femme mignonne ? <br> - Tu ne peux pas me duper.” (Depend on the situation : me duper (fool), me décevoir (disappoint), mentir (lie to me). “tromper” can mean in french: “cheat, betray”. Generally, it’s use for someone who “cheats” someone else with another person. As you can see, vikibot put “tu peux” (“You can”), but the english one is “You can’t”.

Correct translation : “Ce genre d’information, il m’est facile de le savoir.” + [Aino Shingo : Directeur de l’agence de rencontre Aino]

Vikibot put more this into french “This kind of information is clearly (distinctly) approaching me.” But it’s not that. She can learn, easily know this kind of information. She may know that he is lying to her. For the “Aino Mating”, they just ignore the “Mating”.

Correct translation : “Dossier 4 : Scène de combat au marathon pour femmes ! Épouse qui fait de la course à pieds VS Méchante femme.”

Vikibot put “case” (that’s not french), like “runner”. “Marmarathon” isn’t an existing word. In english, the vikibot say something like that into french “Fight to fight at Marmarathon of women! The bride Runner against the falcon woman”. For the second one, it’s like “ Fight to fight to women at the age of the bride.” + space are false.

Well, this one, I think vikibot gave up. It’s just “Hé, that hurts.” so just the beginning of the segment. Plus, it’s a modern drama so we can use “ça” but if it was an historical, we can favor “cela”. Like, “Hé, cela fait mal.”

There are just examples, but it’s like that everywhere. It’s just horrible. And in these example, there is no conjugation or formal speaking. So there are really easy examples and translations to do. But if it’s on some historical drama or fantasy one, it would be something ridiculous.

Kylamia, Anna79_9


#329

Any clou why suspicious is written so weird?


#330

I just added this information below the screenshot. Sorry ^^


#331

Tem Toda a Razão Minha Princesa!!! É MESMO INDIGNANTE.


#332

probably the person who was speaking broke the word into several pieces like this


#333

Maybe someone knew it was going to be bot-translated and made some test lines to see if the bot still recognizes the word?


#334

E desde ontem estou pensando aqui…
Soube que há dramas traduzidos do coreano para o inglês com Vikibot :fearful:
Não vou citar o drama, mas tem um que estou trabalhando e volta e meia eu ficava chocada com a má qualidade das legendas em inglês. Muitas vezes sem sentido algum, me questionava pensando : deve ser um tradutor ainda novato, mas agora penso que pode ser uma tradução Vikibot. Estou horrorizada. :disappointed:
Vikibot é o fim iminente dessa comunidade.


#335

In one old post I just read now I wrote this.
So,bots off, when feelings are involved and fingers are at risk.
2 years ago
It’s written that there is a collaboration between Viki and Rakuten Institute …
That got me thinking
Since Viki says - “We do not create subtitles, our awesome community does.”
Or “we actually do not translate” … aso.
Rakuten Institute uses the translations of the contributors to enhance their project …
Let’s say it is a bridge one side Viki other side Rakuten Institute …
Isn’t there a pillar missing?
I just watched “D-Day” and I know how a bridge looks if there is a left side and a right side, that means the middle is missing and you can not get over it!
Conclusion - To not include a pillar can bring down the entire structure.

Why not use it wisely use ONE drama, better maybe a documentary, since most are less nuanced with the language, or make a test channel? Isn’t it too soon to throw those bot translations in original language segments? Ask some volunteers for corporation, I can’t think of a time volunteers didn’t help Viki. I mean Viki was and is as Viki says powered by volunteers. One could go from episode to episode but not run the community over, or basically trample over the community. That is how it feels like.
Working with bots is working with machines, it’s technics, but volunteers are human, so soft skills are needed sometimes.

At the very least make a different choice available for the bot language(s), like botEnglish, botFrench, then volunteers could “feel free” to edit them, if they want to.

If viki needs another picture to understand what that bot translation action of this week means to volunteers should see what happens if you throw a stone into an anthill …

Technically it should be possible to make a copy of a channel, and it can be hidden and only give access to the people “invited”.
Why do I always feel as if we need to make suggestion for Viki, do they not have creative minds any longer? What I am missing most is the “human touch”.


#336

Sí estás segura de eso. Espero estemos en lo correcto.