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#525

More on creativity and K-dramas . . .

Does it sometimes seem there is a fine line between exporting culture for other people to enjoy and dictating how other people can enjoy that culture?

I absolutely love gimbap and kimchi. I have never had some of the other famous Korean dishes because I don’t live anywhere that would make it easy for me to just walk anywhere and get fresh out of the ocean seafood or fresh from the farm ANYTHING.

I have yet to learn to make gimbap thought the videos for doing that are numerous. I want to learn.

However, if I do learn, how many people would say, “Oh, that’s lovely. But it’s not really Korean food. It’s more Korea-boo food, right?”

The reality is that, like gimbap, K-dramas are rooted in a very specific culture. There’s a reason why Rochester, NY has a couple of Asian markets and numerous “Asianese” restaurants that “round-eyes” flock to along with the Asians of whatever ethnic background these restaurants cater to.

Because there IS something special about eating tasty food that is “just like grandma used to make” . . . with grandma being a woman looking skeptically at the friends her grandchildren bring home for a meal.

It’s an odd fact of human life that . . . well, we are all human.

But it’s an odd fact of being human that, when human beings cluster for generations and form cultures, then the cultures start trying to convince each other that “our culture is the most authentic human culture, and unless you can show a pedigree proving you come out of our culture for two or three hundred years back, you’re not really the best sort of human being you could be.”

And isn’t it interesting that, when someone from a non-Asian culture shows an interest in an Asian culture to the extent of learning languages and recipes and whatnot, the Asian folks are shocked?

“Wow, you speak our language so well! Wow, you cook our food so well!”

Why, gabsahabnida!


#526

Don’t take that too, too literally from all Koreans. This is based on the account of those who live in S. Korea as foreigners. This is on the account of people whose parents were even born, and raised in S. Korea. Even from the account of people who they themselves were foreign raised, and, or mixed people of Korean descent.


#527

WARNING: Slight American helmoi rant begins in 3, 2, 1 . . .

Now.

I am privileged to know an African-American police officer who self-identifies as a Christian, who has made it his ministry, if you will, to mentor at-risk youth in my interesting upstate New York city of Rochester. Rochester, which, according to U.S. Census information is the second-most ethnically diverse city in New York state outside the Big Apple itself.

He has done this for 25 years or so, and “kids” of all backgrounds know him so well that, from current grade-schoolers through young parents with grade-schoolers themselves, people flock to him wherever they see him.

I have a friend in her mid-thirties with kids who shrieks like a BTS fan girl whenever he visits the YMCA I attend.

Because of his dedication to what he believes God has called him to do, his wife divorced him about three years ago. She was not willing to support him any longer. Through mutual friends, he met a Korean-born Christian woman a couple of years ago, and they started dating. She is absolutely his biggest fan.

(Kind of sad that, in other parts of the United States, it has been more difficult to get some really positive vibes going for both the police and Koreans, but that’s another thread, perhaps.)

Dominic Choi Makes History As LAPD’s First Asian American Assistant Chief
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Jul 28, 2021

Being of the American generation that was directly impacted by the “Korean conflict,” I can certainly understand the dislike of and even hatred of African-Americans by some older Koreans. These men and some women, too, I think, were associated with a conflict that many think could have been avoided if the UN (or somebody) had just had a bit more political guts.

During the Korean conflict, desperate Korean women and lonely American soldiers got together, and when American soldiers finished their tours of duty, not all the American soldiers took a war bride home with them.

Probably about a month ago, I met a man who looked African-American on the bus who is in his fifties and had a remarkable conversation with him.

I said something in passing about an attractive shirt he was wearing. He said his brother had given it to him. When he spoke, I thought, “OK, then he’s African” because he didn’t have an American accent.

I said, “Oh, you have a lovely accent, where were you born,” I almost dropped my teeth because he said, “Vietnam.”

Through a process I didn’t inquire about, when he was seventeen, his American father brought him to the United States and adopted him. When I spoke with him, he was on his way to work at a Chinese restaurant that is very popular with college students.

I was an impressionable high school and college student during the latter years of the Vietnam War; one of my oldest friends in Rochester is ethnic Chinese but grew up in Vietnam. Her parents moved to Vietnam from Guandong Province in the 1940s; her Chinese dialect is Teochew or Chaozhou. I know in detail about her family’s struggles to escape at the end of the Vietnam conflict.

So when this man told me his brief, brief story, because I was in public, I said only, “I’m very glad you were able to come here,” and then when I got home I cried for the rest of the afternoon.

https://www.nytimes.com/1992/11/16/nyregion/for-afro-amerasians-tangled-emotions.html

The New York Times
For Afro-Amerasians, Tangled Emotions
By David Gonzalez
Nov. 16, 1992

I absolutely know that there are many “Asianese” folks who are color-blind and culture-blind AND I understand why many “Asianese” folks are not.

AND I also understand, in the context of this thread, why it is so important for there to be careful control of contents of, and participation in, K-dramas. Because duh. They are a cultural export that serves as an educational tool about a culture that was old before the United States or many other countries even existed.

But it gets a little old to hear strangers say, “Oh, you’re . . . [insert ethnic identity]. How do you like ‘our food’?” . . . When I’ve been eating it all my life.

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And it gets a little old to hear non-northern European friends ask, “How do you like our food?” when they give me Rubbermaid containers of it. The people who are serving it to me know very well I like it . . . because they served it to me JUST LAST WEEK!

I get that a lot of what I hear is affectionate and sort of social conversation, but there are times when I just want to be allowed to live as a generic, un-labeled human being and enjoy being with other generic, un-labeled human beings.

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And be allowed to try my hand at making my version of their “cultural products.”

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Ideally, at the moment, I would like to meet and marry a half Korean, half-Cuban, half-Chinese, half-Anglo-Saxon retired chef, astronaut, lawyer, painter, potter, and musician . . . and have him fix me gimbap, kimchi, raymeon, scallion pancakes, and budae jjigae every time I sneezed.

But I don’t think that’s going to happen any time soon.

And the chef who’s made the YouTube video below is probably not making plans to move to Rochester and become part of the local “K-population.”

My life is so sad . . .


#528

Those danged Americans think they can just go out and show the world how to be creative. Can’t help but wonder if her choice of garment indicates her family originally is from . . . maybe Shanghai? Or maybe she chose her outfit because it fit the color scheme?

At any rate, I have been thinking over what I heard several years ago, that what you focus on becomes what you love. So watching fun videos such as this one (of a lovely young woman taking art to the next level) will surely help anyone who loves being creative and original to activate more of that in his or her life.


#529

My contribution to the ‘Viki Original’ you haven’t seen yet. :wink:

After carefully applying ‘guyliner’, Randy Roughshod (aka: Lee Byung-hun) enjoys a smoke while waiting to be called on stage.


(pinterest)


#530


Yess!!! Welcome @stardust2466_546 :blush::blush::blush: keep it coming, @kdrama2020ali :wink::wink: isn’t he a hot tomale? :fire::fire::fire::heart: @ninjas_with_onions, @misswillowinlove

His character could be the one hired to spy out for our shot gun married couple’s company competitor.


#531

hmmmmmmmm Who’s Hot??? :fire:


#532


#533

He’s rocking a David Bowie vibe, and the 1980s ladies notice.

“I could care less about him. It’s his motorcycle that I want.”

(WhoWhatWear)

“He’s invited me out to the estate to ride his stallion.”

(Google screen cap)

“I’m his business manager, and I’m always in his business.”

(The Guardian)


#534

This morning, ranting over on Facebook about life in my area of reality, I found this marvy gif on Giphy to illustrate my post:

Folks who have visual issues, please look away. I want to suggest here that a way to do some really personal, unique, and original Viki originals . . . is to make gifs.

The way I see it, gifs are a combo of video, writing, set design, costume design, and script ALL in one.

Could there not be a Badger Productions fan channel with such creations posted? A channel that DOES NOT rely on any already copyrighted material . . . that comes from the community . . . AND that is in so many cases way more imaginative than the poor Viki techs and flunkies have time for.

Just a thought.

@worthyromance told me, as she was mentoring me with my Be Together presubs, that she wanted to make sure Viki, as one of Rakuten’s lesser income streams, stayed viable in an increasingly competitive online streaming market. But poor Viki, having been thrown into a huge and shark-infested infotainment ocean, seems always slightly behind in the competition.

Squid games? Viki is way too often the squid, and we in the community spend a lot of time finding the poor thing safe yet attractive rocks to hide under.

It’s possible to make gifs online OR with GIMP or Irfanview or Photoshop. I’d love to see anybody’s gif inspired by a K-drama . . . or any other drama.

The great thing is that, as long as it’s digitized, any image is usable. And since Viki-ites are scrupulous about giving credit where credit is due, a fan channel would showcase our talent AND give Viki the free advertising it is always jonesing for.

But meanwhile . . . buddy, can you gif me a gif?


#535

I don’t think we can make and manage fan channels anymore :slightly_frowning_face: But the gifs you make/photos you upload here on Discussions can be accessed from the web. I recently saw some of the photos @kdrama2020ali posted in Google’s library of images when I was searching for an actor’s pictures.


#536

@vivi_1485,
Can you link :paperclips: it here, :face_with_hand_over_mouth: not trying to give discobot, or 'brat a headace, just checking it out.


#537

Yes - you can find hottie posse - doom - etc with gifs that have been uploaded by us!
@leerla73

Why is this a problem?? We always attempt to cite the source! as best we can


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#538

OK. Let me see if I can present things more clearly from my POV as a graphic designer/writer/editor/proofreader type person.

First, Viki is a . . . what’s the word? Ah, yes. Visual medium. No disagreement there, I think.

Viki’s administration involves a lot of behind the scenes analytical, detailed bean-counting, programming, and developing (in an R and D, not in a photographic sense), but its chief product is visual.

And Viki’s chief customers, you know, mostly watch Viki’s visual product on their phones, tablets, desktop computers, and possibly their Apple watches? (I don’t know how those work; I’m never going to spend my money on one when I can spend the money on food!)

Obvs visually impaired people listen to dialog and descriptions, and obvs when I am in the kitchen, I’m hearing whatever show I’m streaming (and have to rewind to catch the precious seconds I missed while rummaging in the refrigerator). But Viki is selling to its customers (and we are all some sort of customers) a VISUAL entertainment experience.

So I posted a visual element to make a point about Viki . . . and its desire and need to sell its visual entertainment product . . . and its fairly obvious ham-handedness in trying to cater to both the chaebols further up the Rakuten org chart and to its customer base.

A re-reading of what I posted just before this should make it more (I hope) clear that I am not talking about any of us uploading what is already out there in terms of gifs, memes, posters, photos, or whatever.

I am talking about taking things to a higher level. Ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls, if you will direct your attention to the center ring:

I am not talking about any of us uploading OTHERS’ work.

We can make OUR OWN GIFS using our own images, photos drawings, or whatever we have to hand. The technology is out there. Obvs if any part of a gif that I make contains elements that I get from the Internet, I am going to cite sources.

The point is that people keep saying, “Oh, I’m not creative; I can’t do X; I don’t have time for Y; I worry about what the overlords of Viki might say about Z.”

With what’s available now, literally anybody who uses the Internet, and certainly anybody who frequents this thread, can make SMOKIN gifs that promote Viki better and more (dare I use the word) creatively than Viki.

And have fun and share the love and all that.

Can I “hear” (because I am probably never literally going to hear any of your voices ever) . . . can I hear anyone say, “Hey, sounds like a great idea. Give me some more details!” . . . ?

Or should I go back in the kitchen and rummage in the fridge some more?

(And if the refresh rate of the David Bowie gif is more intolerable than the refresh rate of the gifs uploaded in response to my latest post, I am willing to be told off by someone in corporate and be stripped of whatever rights and privileges I have earned so far by cleaning subs.

(I cannot, ultimately, convince anyone that they are creative and can produce wonderful work whoever they may be, but I can keep trying, in an annoying manner if that’s what it takes.)

(Giphy)


#539

This is a good idea! Since we can’t create fan channels, what I said about posting them here still holds. I guess we’ll have to name the gifs well so people searching the internet can find it easily using convenient keywords. I don’t know how to make gifs… I also don’t have the time to learn (I’m already juggling midterm exams and NSSA). So someone here could upload the gifs with good names and I’ll try searching the web to see if it comes up.

For example, if you make a gif of, say, the scene in 18 Again where LDH saves aae Rin from falling, name the gif “18 again kdrama_fall scene_ae rin_lee do Hyun” or something similar. Then I’ll try searching for it on the web using those keywords and see if it pops up.


#540

Oh boy, I’ve always said that if I ever learned how to make GIFs, no one would ever be able to find me again. I’d fall down that rabbit hole so hard and fast, I’d probably get injured. :joy:

I’ve always been under the impression that GIF making is very technical and time consuming and required advanced software. Are there new and improved and easier-to-use GIF making programs these days?

The biggest hinderance to GIF making in terms of Viki content is the fact that Viki specifically designs their video player so as to prevent anyone from taking screencaps or video clips. I know there are work arounds for this, but I am not a person who is totally willing to add those to my computer.


#541

Found it! The “Google Search” link. Hottie and Doom were the universal search words, noted by Google.

“My Hottie Posse…Who is YOURS? - Celebrities - Viki Discussions” My Hottie Posse...Who is YOURS?

If you follow the link returned by a Google search, you’ll not be able to like, or reply until you complete the log in process, even if you are already logged in on Chrome, or a similar browser.


#542

Pervert! :flushed::flushed: You do not want to go there! :rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:


#543

:face_with_hand_over_mouth::face_with_hand_over_mouth::face_with_hand_over_mouth::laughing::face_with_hand_over_mouth:

@ninjas_with_onions, your search preference kept you safe from launching into the deep! :rofl::face_with_hand_over_mouth:


#544

:grimacing: It’s official @kdrama2020ali is deemed NSFW! Scandalous! :rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl: