I think there needs to be a valid reason to allow the removal - and we should evaluate case by case.
Projects with no progress from the English team for months or channels that are subjected to regional restriction are an example - if you, as a Mod, cannot work on your channel due to external forces, and that causes you to have spots taken from the 5-moderations-limit, then it is quite problematic.
They could ask to switch role, from Mod to Editor for their Language. It could work in case of “frozen” projects, I guess - you empty one spot but you are still responsible for that project and can follow the slow updates. Or you could look for another potential Moderator to introduce to the CM (one that has few to no projects), thus showing that you are not irresponsible and that you care about the fate of a project you cannot take care of anymore.
But that would require people to be responsible about this, to still mind the number of projects they switch to Editor role. Problem is, many will find a way to work around this anyway, asking to be added as Editors from the beginning of the project and in on air channels at that, which is unfair, so I’m a bit hesitant to support this solution.
I would never add a editor for a language when there is a mod for that language. Appointing an editor is a moderator’s job for the other languages and when there is no mod there kind of is no need for an editor yet, as in getting that special position, because subbers can edit too when needed. As a CM I only add a chief editor for the English team and they will recruit their own editing team.
Okay, I misunderstood that.
I would then remove the moderator at his request and give someone else the chance. I wouldn’t reassign him as editor (unless it’s a team of several, then only one needs to be moderator).
However, I would apply to the CM now so that it is immediately obvious that only one of the team is added as a moderator and the rest as an editor.
That’s not what I meant. I mean, if a Mod wants to switch to the Editor role, thus working on it as an Editor. The person working on the project would be the same, just in a different role. But as I said, I am hesitant to support this
If a moderator wishes to withdraw from a project that is not completed, then there must be a limit to the number of withdrawals. For example, 3 withdrawals from unfinished projects, 6 months penalty, i.e. you can no longer be a moderator. Sounds harsh, but it’s fair. Otherwise, there will be people who will withdraw from unfinished projects, just for the sake of getting new ones.
Surely in this period, a lot of projects taken a long time ago and not finished by their moderators will be abandoned. Why? Because some of these moderators will want to apply for new projects. Why translate to something old, when Viki loads new content. A total lack of responsibility on their part. Yes, you can withdraw, but leave someone in your place to complete.
Attention: don’t confuse this with the situation where there are two moderators. As long as one of the two moderators will be left to complete the project without any problems, I see nothing wrong with one of them withdrawing. Before there were other conditions, now there are others and we have to find the right solutions that do not affect the pace of completion of projects already taken.
Regarding other options to appoint moderators (as subbers, editors, etc.) I say we should stay calm. Otherwise, we will end up having limitations on all roles on Viki.
I disagree with sanctioning Mods who withdraw from multiple projects.
There are many real-life occurrences where you might be forced to do so, and from many projects all at once.
However, if you see a pattern that one user does that a lot, naturally you as a CM will not give him that position anymore. That would be the proper punishment.
Rather than punishing/sanctioning/limiting all the time, we should think of rewarding the good behaviour. Create privileges for projects which were completed by a user.
For example, Viki can create Moderator badges indicating 5, 10, 20, 50 and so on (MOD5, MOD10, MOD20, MOD50) finished projects. This would be particularly helpful for CMs when hiring.
It would identify really fast which users quit their projects midway - those with many, many projects in Project Contributions list and a badge indicating just 5 finished projects.
The CMs will know that applicants with higher Mod badge number are on average (but not always) more likely finish the project.
It will give a subconscious incentive to the Moderators to finish their projects the same way as a subtitling badge does.
These badges may also carry more practical privileges, such as having a higher number of allowed projects once you reach 20 finished projects.
Agreed for co-mods. As for switching roles, I was thinking about the Editor thing because if they get removed as Mods, won’t it appear as if they are abusers? I am not entirely sure if it works like this or not, so please correct me if I’m wrong. They could be added as subbers, but it’d be unfair for the job they did until then, so Editor could be a good compromise - but I agree that we should first see how things progress.
The projects stay under you Projects Contributions with the total number of subtitles you contributed to it. The only thing that’s missing is the label for the role (Moderator, Editor or Subtitler).
Shockingly, most of the mod removals I’m experiencing, are asking to be replaced by another person… so that has been safe for me so far.
I just experienced a mod removal with an add-on, but the add-on couldn’t be done and the person I removed can’t be added back either, so now I don’t have a Polish moderator. LOL!
So, yeah, just learned not to remove the first mod until you know the second mod is able to be added.
its bigger issue Sweetie, i cant even add the moderator who have 0 other moderation. It’s insane.
It’s as if they block the whole community with adding. And yeah here comes the weekend.
Happy us ( sarcasm)
What about Page Designers that were only added to help with the cover pages and now we are involved negatively in the incomplete projects?
I have 2 projects that I am only a Page Designer and now they appear as incomplete in my roles. And what’s is worse… The managers are no longer active. So the last source of help was to open a ticket
I think you should open a ticket to remove yourself from the two projects, because you risk waiting too long for Viki to come up with a systematic solution to this problem.
I’d go another way because the fear of too many OL mod removals is based on slow releases for the OL teams and then getting their mod slots blocked.
So instead of asking for OL mod removals I’d change the release time frame for OL teams in the way that if the English main team finished all English subtitles but did not release the episodes for the OL teams within an appropriate time frame, I’d say the OL teams are free to start subtitling.
That might cause lower quality in some cases but less frustration for the OL teams that are sometimes stuck for months.
The mod slot block feature is unbalanced until the release time frame for OL teams is considered as well.
PS: This is not meant as offense for the English main team.
WOW this really good idea. And be honest as badges show on your page all. Make easier for CM as well, and yeah nice new badges so this really good idea.
I am very contrary to the removal of moderators who have done a part of the job. If they have real-life problems that prevent them from continuing, a co-mod can be appointed. Τhere’s no harm in their name staying there. That’s what happened when I got sick and I took a long hiatus from Viki. On “Melancholia”, I was English co-Chief Editor, meaning that there was already a more than capable person to take over the work. But as Italian moderator, I appointed one of my best subbers as co-mod (I was CM too there). If you see the Italian cover page, there are two names, mine and the name of the person who replaced me for the last episodes. No need to erase me from the face of the earth just because I didn’t get to the end.
If you want to be more precise, on the cover page, you could state
Afar Moderators: X (ep.1-10) and Y (ep.11-16).
But I am contrary to removing them for no valid reason. Why give them the chance to hoard many projects? If they have time to work on Viki, let them finish the ones they started. That’s the whole point of the new rule.
Removal in my opinion is for
those who were “honorary” moderators, such as page designers. When the design is finished, remove the moderation. Simple. Or sometimes chief segmenters will ask to become All Language moderators. You can remove that role at the end of the project.
Another instance of “honorary moderator” is when I was appointed moderator of Timed Comments for a drama. When the drama was finished, I had to write several times to the CMs until I was finally removed, because I didn’t want a project with zero subs appearing on my contributions page.
those who applied, were given the position, only to discover that the drama is not available in their country and they couldn’t work on it (it happened to me with “Doctor Prisoner”).
I would also include in this list the poor OL moderators of films, who sometimes have to wait for many months until the English edition is released. Since they haven’t yet done a single subtitle, if they find a project they like better, they have the right to ask to be removed from the dragging one.
What could be a problem are the stagnant epic-length Chinese dramas where OL have started, but the English team releases a new episode every blue moon. Here too, if someone of the OL mods wants to opt out, they should be able to, because it’s like holding them hostage, them and their teams.
While these two from now on may be connected in some cases, I think it’s not okay not to allow a Mod to withdraw unless they have a “good reason”. Who defines this good reason? The CM?
If I were to tell a CM I can’t imagine continuing to translate this series because I thought the series would be good (I applied before the series aired), and now the series makes me so angry/depressed/induces me to vomit, how will the average CM accept that?
Does a CM have the right to know I have health issues?
Do I have to explain to the CM that I have a major enduring conflict with one of the other team members (not necessarily the member of my language team) which has peaked on this project?
Does that CM want to risk alienating me entirely from working on Viki?
Point is, not everybody who requests removal from the team is a hoarder. And we can’t be certain that such hoarding-withdrawing-hoarding behaviour will indeed be so ubiquitous and such a problem.
But I, as a volunteer, have the right to say I’m out, no questions asked.
I had myself removed from some very old kdrama (Rooftop Prince, I Miss You, Spy, When a man loves, Facetale) and if someone thinks I’m an abuser now, fine. But I didn’t see myself completing those on my own in Dutch. The CM’s there where not active anymore either. Was thinking of taking over the CM position for some but I decided not to do so.
Do anyone know whether another mod can remove a mod from another language because I have a movie that is with no video for quite some time and the cm doesn’t answer. Opening another ticket for me in support is futile. As I mentioned in another thread I have tickets open for more than a month and have heard people have ones for more than that so I don’t have hope they will actually replace and fix the problems anytime soon. I think its about time to give up viki if the bugs don’t be fixed and if the support doesn’t answer for the following months
I am thinking of completing all my current projects and then just stop. I will just work in the backstage mentoring my team if they still want me to. I believe a lot of people will leave as what happened a couple of years back with the robotic translation matter we faced. I am very disappointed for the deletion of a lot of my dramas without prior warning as well because I didn’t get to download the subs for some of them and they don’t appear anywhere else outside as well. Feeling frustrated…
I don’t think that’s possible. If you look at Manage Channel function as a mod, any language, you can’t see all mods in the team. You can see the list of seggers, subbers and editors only. As far as I know, only the CM (and Viki) can see the list of mods, and can make addition or deletion as required.
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I believe (and was told) Viki keeps subtitle files somewhere. After all, these are their revenue streams too. Though not a huge stream. However, I don’t know if Viki keeps all subtitle files for all languages and all channels, nor the duration of storage. I don’t see any harm in reaching out to Viki and asking them, however long it may take for a reply.
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Unfortunately, I tend to agree. As can be seen though, the engineers are hard at work trying to fix this and that. It’s just that “pothole” A may be fixed, but it leads to “pothole” B and C and so forth. I earnestly hope the platform will be stabilized soon. I certainly don’t wish to see it end up like that infamous DF.
so this really good idea.