I am so sorry that you had to deal with such negativity. Please forgive me. I feel responsible for the safety of my friends. If I haven’t left VIKI yet, it’s all thanks to you, all of you. That’s the only reason I keep coming back.
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Don’t be sorry, what for, who for and what’s the use?
It won’t change anything. The past is the past. But if we can change the future or avoid these mistakes again, I will be more interested to hear that.
People are just people. Wherever we sit or whatever we feel entitled to, we just sit on our ass (Montaigne, a philosopher).
I forget and brush things really quick or move forward really fast. Life still goes on!
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I think a better solution would have been to make separate categories for those topics
It’s funny you mention that bc lately we are going off certain topic so when I realized what I did (going off topic), I now delete my comment. I know it’s kind of annoying for certain people; but they very strict with that in here.
One thing I did learned here at this site, that in this life you have to be careful who you talk/write/communicate with. The most difficult ppl to communicate with here are; ‘‘the ones that think they know it all’’
So… I’m following these simple rules from now on;
‘‘Why argue with someone who think they’re never wrong?’’
This frustrating situation can be avoided with these 8 tips on how to win an argument with someone who ‘‘THINKS’’ is never wrong, and worse yet is a ‘‘know it all.’’
- Stay Calm and Strong. (Your reaction)
- Support Claims with Evidence (Done that very wisely)
- State Facts Vs Opinions (no longer will bother here with that; you never win with a know it all)
- Choose Your Battles Wisely (recognize when a person sees mental problem, there’s something really wrong with that person, too).
- Stay Away from Sarcastic people.
- Consider Alternatives to keep the individual away from you (Reporting them here is the best option with evidence of course/ done that)
- Ignore them completely
- Let It Go.
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the last one may.
The other ones you deleted were still in link to the topic about:
- regulation on social medias by social medias
- practices of different social medias, comparing their practices with Viki’s forum and own personal bad exp on social medias (danger of social media).
The last one is more about realizing that it’s not only topics (what?) that may arise problems within the community, but people’s behavior when communicating or how they communicate (who and how?)
And I think it’s also one of the things that plays a key role in a conversation, not only the topic in itself.
The people have already made that choice. Unable to be nice and courteous to one another, flag after flag was sent out to VIKI, who in turn deleted entire posts and threads, making new rules and destroying any semblance of Free Speech. Then again, this virtual space was created by a Corporation, and Corporations don’t care about Free Speech. Go figure.
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Sadly, that happened the moment disgusting insults started flying left and right, prompting VIKI to delete entire threads and destroy Free Speech in the process. We should never let those in charge know that we are squabbling with our fellow members. We self-regulate, showing that we are indeed nice, educated human beings who don’t put others down because of the colour of their skin and other such atrocious things.
But it happened nonetheless. And now the higher-ups will always have a reason to apply censorship and silence us… You know, for our own good.
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Yeah, anywhere there should be regulation (social media, forums…).
Self-regulation and when it doesn’t work, an external regulation in addition to that.
How the external regulation comes is another matter.
I understand what you mean, I would tweak it and add more precision: it’s not about appearance (show), it is about changing our thinking.
Because it is still not fine to keep the same thinking and changing from harassing or discriminating or insulting publicly to privately when those in charge don’t look around or are not in the same room or outside.
We should never squabble with our fellow members, but the goal in itself is not to show we are nice or to avoid censorship or to avoid the police station or penalties. Sure it might lead to this.
If people are correct with others from the beginning (what or how they say or how they act), there wouldn’t be squabbles and no censorship or if there are squabbles, eventually people or one part tries to find a compromise.
There is no smoke without a fire.
It’s about mind change, like population mindset change or evolution. It’s quite a current topic!
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You know what’s so unfair of all this going on here at viki? When I tried to flag a comment from a person I felt was offending me; in any way, shape or form, I couldn’t flag that person!
I couldn’t report anyone but they were able to flag away what I wrote. Some ppl here state: ‘‘I didn’t flag your post.’’ They may have not have flagged my post in the name they used to write to me at the time. but the other names (who knows how many other names they may have), they did! I have my post flagged by ppl I have never seen a post around here. That says a lot. YES, I know who and how many people flagged my post, even ppl who gave me ‘‘like your post hearts.’’
The good thing was, the ppl/person who wrote the offending stuff, I thankfully was able to copy their offending post (they never deleted those), and I submitted it as evidence of what this person was doing, (not deleting their post worked on my favor and I bet is still up there too bc of course I can’t even flag it even if I want to do that. When I hit the submit button, it doesn’t work either. Shocking, right?
I wonder if the CEO is aware of these new rules guidelines and the many restrictions impose here? Yes, the CEO may be busy; but part of his job should be to make sure that the staff is working in a fair manner and doing what’s right with no preference of what stays up bc it wasn’t flagged and what gets deleted bc it was flagged. I already feel it’s unfair how ppl can flag a post and things get deleted without no RESPECTFUL explanation.
THE new RULE here should be the person that flagged any post, their name should be disclosed too, and the explanation as to why they flagged the post, should be available to each and every person their post was ‘‘flagged.’’ But of course, why expect that to happen here, when you get attacked and have no right to defend yourself? I call that DISCRIMINATION.
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Adrian, how would you help users and Angel if you were a forum mod?
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I would implement exactly two things:
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A Block option, so whenever someone becomes annoying or bossy, you can just block that person, essentially hiding away their profile and posts. They wouldn’t be able to see your profile and posts, either. How awesome would that be?
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The Be Nice! rule. You don’t have to get along with everyone, but I expect everyone to show a bit of politeness, refraining from personal attacks and such. Otherwise, why are you even here? You must be a troll or a bot, so now you’re banned. Or you must be someone with issues. We should try to help that person, but ultimately, I recommend they seek professional help.
With these two in place, everyone should be able to talk freely about anything they want.
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BRAVO ADRIAN!!!
Wow love those two suggested options bc I could block those who are constantly attacking EVERYTHING I write here no matter how trivial they are.
#2 It’s the best one since some people are always attacking what others write, and they get away with it, which at this point is very fishy to me that such thing is allowed so freely in here.
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The nice rule is nice and well-intended.
Viki has something like that written on the forum and it is difficult to have the same definition universally.
What do you think of suggesting your idea to Viki by PM or through the Help center?
I don’t have a particular stance on this.
There should be control steps or people who watch if this is applied.
All in all, the trend nowadays is more regulation and control on social media by social media when it comes to discrimination, incitement to hatred, harassment, etc. and companies follow it in their own ways.
That’s the thing. People don’t need even more oppressive rules. They don’t need a Big Brother constantly watching their every move. There’s a reason the world has been set aflame. We can look after each other. And even if we can’t, do you think another person censoring us is going to change anything? It will only give leeway to abuse and corruption.
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There are lots of different matters where an individual can’t decide without concertation and a general approval from his peers.
- Timed comments
Disqus that has a block function, reviews and timed comments are monitored or at least, they created a task for that.
There was a suggestion to abandon the timed comments function because of… we know.
Some other peers didn’t want to, because of… we know.
The current situation is: timed comments, reviews and disqus comments are still under monitoring. It’s a huge task if we read other peers describing it, but the same peers who happened to monitor them or some who watched them didn’t want to give the function up.
The counterpart is: someone to monitor so other people can still enjoy.
- PG rating
Some dramas left a bitter taste to some viewers because it was an offense to watch a type of scene for them and it was not appropriate for the audience on Viki so it was suggested first to remove the drama(s) or movie(s) falling in this category from Viki library or that in the future, they avoid buying this type of content.
Some other peers didn’t want to because they didn’t feel the same repulsion towards the same scenes or they wanted diversity and said if someone doesn’t like one drama or movie, to watch something else, but to let others watch it if others like it and parents are responsible for their own children.
The current situation is: the content is here and they highlighted better PG (but still, there might not be equivalent to someone’s country or accurate or …)
- now: this forum
I am not Viki, Fb or Twitter or Unilever and the decision emanates from companies.
Your anger is directed towards a company because your freedom was repressed in a way you consider unfair and you can’t talk about what has occupied your mind lately.
On the other hand, some other users don’t share the same opinion as they told this week and the previous week, because they don’t feel they had less freedom. They feel that Viki intervention was right because it allowed them some peace of mind to avoid what has been going on currently and avoid fights between users.
There is no right, nor wrong here that others or you feel that way.
Your feelings happen.
The current situation happens.
The best to take your right back because you felt your right to speak has been taken away is to ask other users on this forum (and some have answered here, rather like in a democracy or in a poll because everyone is impacted by this decision and you are not alone). Then ask Viki with an alternative, in the better case, approved by some other peers.
Maybe you will have more chance that way.
This is just a suggestion with the intention to help you.
You’re normally more on the sunny side, I hope you can cheer up in some way and enjoy the upcoming summer.
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The one track mind people; THEY are always right, and EVERYONE ELSE/ others are always wrong. They can say whatever they want, but when other people say something, they need to be ‘‘flagged’’ and their comments HAVE to be deleted.
Like Winston Churchill said in the most wise way.
Everyone is in favor of free speech. Hardly a day passes without its being extolled, but some people’s idea of it is that they are free to say whatever they like, but if anyone else says anything back, that is an outrage.
Winston Churchill](https://www.azquotes.com/author/2886-Winston_Churchill)
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No, you don’t understand.
If I didn’t want to help him, I wouldn’t have posted or explained him the past for the recent rules or asked him for an alternative and give him a suggestion to ask Viki and some others.
The post would have been eventually buried without interactions from other users and it allowed us to confront different opinions from other users. The main goal is not for someone to be right, but to know what others think on this matter, take it into account, develop ideas, find an alternative to that and foresee what can brake it from an idea in development to its realization like a plan or when a new product or service is thought or changed from the experimental phase to its application.
If after suggesting his ideas, Viki is opposing him “But…,” he has to foresee and takes it into account when giving his proposal.
This is just examples of what has been discussed or how it was solved on Viki.
Somehow, we don’t think of a solution or another side of our idea, so it is fine that by discussing, we come to find an alternative.
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If you take a look in this forum’s past or are a part of this community for long you could see that the recent situation didn’t happen suddenly.
The global real world crisis just added the last drop to this forum.
Some people have mainly negative views about this community and its users (maybe for people in general) for whatever reason. They’re spreading negative thoughts for years talking and waiting for change that will never happen - or at least no change in the way they expect it.
They expect different results though their thoughts, their behaviour stays the same.
Now VIKI did take action but suddenly some aren’t happy with that either (it’s not about your post/thread/opinion Adrian since you have a clear position and although you weren’t directly involved, VIKI’s decicion and new rules counts for you in the same way as for everyone else).
These examples are couple of years old, long before I even knew VIKI and this forum.
(Just scroll down and you’ll see the same statements as you see now; how bad this community is, how rotten (even worse than the real world - but how can one think the online world exists independent from the offline world? it’s not that being online means being surrounded by a programmed AI):
VIKI staff wrote:
The Viki Community Team has locked this discussion thread for violating Viki community guidelines, including:
Posting personal information, including Private Messages (PMs) and/or correspondence between other users
Posting personal attacks, insults, trolling, bullying, harassment, or threats towards other users
So it’s at least ~4 years old. Nothing changed and finally VIKI took action.
If you read the old posts you’ll also see that those who did have a different - more positive - opinion about the community and its users in general (in the way that not ‘all’ are bad, not ‘everyone’ is a enemy, there are no tons of sockpuppets (fake accounts) that do only exist for manipulations etc.) also kept their way of writing/posting.
PS:
I posted the old threads as examples that certain things are longterm issues that already existed before some new users joined this community and that even without being part of all that several years old stuff one could easily get involved in these old strings without knowing at first that its the usual pattern some are following for years.
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I’m not angry, don’t worry about it. And if this post is buried, so be it. Just as you’ve mentioned, it means everyone was happy with the result. It also means that no one will treat you badly. That’s my priority: The wellbeing of my friends. Thank you so much for your support. 
Thank you. Yes, I should cheer up. 
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Let’s do just that, dear Wanda.
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You bet. Enjoy your Sunday with your love ones, be blessed, and thanks for being the kind of person you are simple, honest, sincere and truthfully loving us all the same.
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