I had posted here that generally due to the Roku app, I place 2 spaces ahead of the line break and 2 after. This makes the sub appear normal as the spaces are not an issue with the other formats and this then makes the two person dialogue not slam together.
I do not know if anybody put this anywhere else though. I usually suggest it if some asks me. 
GeNie of the Lamp
It’s not the right topic, but wonder why you posted it here, wanna continuing play hide and seek?
Again?
Or save yourself by posting it especially here?
Since you must know that I’m talking about you and decided to post this, do you have an answer for the questions above and more?
Otherwise, I won’t read.
-breaks:
My fault for not reading your posts not in reply to mine, but thanks for reading the breaks one and bringing an answer.
The practice of breaks mid-sentence without double space to correct the display has begun before your arrival or your discovering.
Since you’re working with this moderator, you should tell her what you told me if it’s not already done so she can add a double space.
Last time I saw on a drama of hers, there were no double spaces bef & after breaks mid-sentence on her dramas. So I suppose dramas before your arrival have no 4× spaces.
Also, if you are aware that one of your moderator uses a secondary account, as a CM or a friend of hers, you should tell your moderator or friend something. It is not right to turn a blind eye. It’s encouraging this behavior to continue.
Unless you agree with this behavior?
Other questions:
-Do you know if it works the same on Roku and on phone for breaks?
-I have noticed that double spaces were not rendered anymore on Viki website on computer, do you know if it changes something on Roku display?
-weird, bec having worked with an editor who already worked with you, we never put 4x spaces. When have you posted the 4x spaces post before we begin to add 4x spaces?
I prefer to check if you see what I mean.
Okay, I don’t know what’s going on here. I posted a note to what I thought was a question about line break and added spaces. Where a moderator chooses to follow this in OL is their choice really.
Sorry Piranna - I have no idea who you’re talking about in this thread - I am aware you and I had friction some time ago. I am not aware of any moderator with extra names or anything if that’s the question.
Have a great evening.
L
It was not the question, nor your reply answers to the questions but nice avoiding.
Let’s play hide and seek then, until you remember.
Viki rules are only for English?
It is if you indeed use 4x spaces… no answer
Oh she hasn’t told you? So she doesn’t trust you enough to tell you this
And you have trusted this kind of moderator? You?
Have you been also played by her and her bff sweet talks or should I say accomplishments?
Good. Cause the latest accomplishments are they have more than 2 accounts.
Others play hide and seek, too.
Haven’t you said you took the best from the best?
For you, this is the best? Best from which point of view?
You probably know between 5-10 languages to say that… team members trust and help each other?
Where did that disappear? Is that it?
There’s a hole in your statement.
Let me give you a hand in knowing who you can trust in this case.
Guilty people saying whatever they want to feed you to gain your trust or someone extern you know will never ask you a moderator position?
You should know these tactics since you use them?
Do as you want, after all, I understand it’s better to hide or say we don’t know.
But no answer from her or them, wonder why
Btw, honest French mods, if this continues, Idk if you would still be French mods.
No worries, I’ve never expected something more for an answer slight_smile:
“Friction”, would have picked another word if I might edit a word in your post.
You talk about me, but you forgot some others, no?
Years ago, we had some misunderstandings. You elected to make them public and then resurrected that old thread, which again seems a bit much.
I thought you and I were on good terms and so I’ve no idea where this is coming from, or whom, and I don’t care actually now to even try to figure it out. I can only guess which moderator this is about as you haven’t talked to me about it, so I don’t know.
If you want to pick a fight, choose a different target, as I’m not interested in arguing with you. I’ve always admired your intelligence and ability to come up with good ideas here, but I’m now going to stop reading you entirely.
Please succeed in your real world endeavors, I do wish you the best.
Linda.
Flee.
Since when I had some expectation?
Of course, guilty people want to hide and tell “I don’t see” or “I don’t know.”
Since when a robber would tell “I robbed you!” It would be a perfect world.
Like? I don’t understand.
Let’s play hide and seek, I love this game
1-
You’re extremely calm. It doesn’t look like your usual side in such a situation.
I’ve known you more punchy, or should I say, we all have known you more punchy.
In this situation, you would have already thrown me insults?
You had more fire a few days/weeks ago:
https://discussions.viki.com/t/more-shows-i-am-not-able-to-find-here-in-viki/22151/12
https://discussions.viki.com/t/more-shows-i-am-not-able-to-find-here-in-viki/22151/16
Change of tone with me (and not with MaryK):
https://discussions.viki.com/t/a-person-who-does-not-exist-is-in-my-drama-right-now/23006/2
https://discussions.viki.com/t/a-person-who-does-not-exist-is-in-my-drama-right-now/23006/4
My answer comes then you (“period” => sure, you respect me. But I don’t have a care about your respect)
https://discussions.viki.com/t/a-person-who-does-not-exist-is-in-my-drama-right-now/23006/6
So… Something is off, right?
Your quietness… You know that you’ve done something wrong, right? Have you something to hide and don’t want others to know?
You know that I’m not the only one.
I don’t know how come I haven’t got this idea sooner.
You can’t send me insulting PM like before, you can’t drive me away so you picked to retreat.
And you can’t throw me rocks here, it would only give more credits to my words.
But who says that silence gives you credits?
I have a lot to say, especially when it’s about bad practices and such.
Flee
She learned from the experts that have been YEARS doing this. This is nothing new, except deadliftdiva joined the horror team and now is kissing…you know the rest.
I can’t see the picture too clearly, as I said I am out of the “limelight” on air/newly uploaded drama projects. I feel like watching the British Parliament “working” on the Brexit. It leaves a bad feeling, you wonder if there will ever be a solution, and you (me) wish for it to never have happened in the first place.
But what I know. I once worked together with another German contributor with the ID jojoo, maybe some of you here might recall that ID. I have known her as a positive person, she was very diligent, doing German/English subtitles, segmenting and at that time doing a fan-channel for people to test and try if segmenting or subtitling is even something to consider. (We know that people think it is easy and give up in the first week, not every volunteer will stay here for years.) Anyway … One day I lost contact with her. I contacted some people I knew that she was working with to no avail. Then her ID was gone and later came back with a different name … It was spooky and one day I was communicating with someone telling me that she had an argument with another contributor. She didn’t know any details. At that moment jojoo left Viki, without looking back.
Of course, I was disappointed that she didn’t contact me after all the years at Viki we contributed together, but maybe she feared I would get involved or even try to persuade her to stay. (I can’t say, I wouldn’t have tried.) But I did have my troubles here too, so I took little breaks and a long break (7 months). I know how “this cyber life” can pull you in and make you think, that there are friends, frenemies and fiends. You wished that this place would be better, as it states that it wants to take down barriers, but we must acknowledge, I didn’t write accept here, that some people like to bully or like to stay together as a pack.
I will leave it with the words of Pal Kang from SFFTS, “my wish is for world peace”. I know it’s abstract, unrealistic at least in my lifetime and looking at the state the world is right now. But that won’t change my wish I will still sing John Lennon’s “Imagine”, I will still try to show R E S P E C T (Aretha Franklin), I will still try to help out …
I wish everyone a perfect day (Fisher Z) and “don’t give up” (Peter Gabriel and Kate Bush).
One song that is always healing for me is Shelter Me by Joe Cocker, maybe you want to try it, maybe it’s not your taste, but anyway. Remember out there are many Beautiful Flowers (India Arie), some only give their beauty, others offer fragrance and the next ones think they can only survive with lots of thorns.
Thank you for the music (Abba).
Let me continue, who knows, you’re going to remember
3-
https://discussions.viki.com/t/who-am-i-guessing-game-closed/15194/14
At that time, I haven’t known you more than that and I was an idiot.
I tried to bury this topic because I thought you didn’t deserve some comments people said about you and better to think of something more “joyful” with my multiple topics created at that time (Irmar or other volunteers who were there can testify it easily this fact and what ensues too).
You slahed me in PM
(@angelight313_168, thanks for telling your story.
I didn’t know you had the same experience as me. Two people had the same exp with you… not 1 only… There’s no coincidence).
And has it stopped just here? No. It’s even worst after. It’s not just talking, you added manipulating, sabotaging, stealing a team to take control of it.
Sarcasm, irony, scoring points, using titles & insulting people at the same time,… so you can get away?
And how did you finish the conversation?
Where is the respect you have for me that you talk about?
You don’t know respect, from our first PMs and 2 years later, it’s the same.
No evolution, nothing has changed.
2 years before, you fought with some volunteers, then you picked a fight with me and many others later.
Don’t turn black into white. If initially, you have acted correctly, respectfully, ethically, without manipulating, harming, sabotaging, hurting, driving away some volunteers from some teams/dramas why have you fought with so many volunteers?
Who is trying to push who?
Why would we talk about you here and why am I not the only one to have something to say about your behavior?
8-
I’ve never realized until now.
On the discussion where you were slashed 2 years ago.
1/ Either you knew that people would say bad things about you.
Why?
To play the victim? Show that you were the victim and others were bullies? Or at the moment people slashed you, you tried to make them feel guilty / appear guilty and took advantage of them feeling guilty? Like Sophie2you.
Really, I wonder if you haven’t done it deliberately, playing the victim or taking advantage in it, in fact, putting the blame on volunteers while slashing them at the same time.
You kind of took advantage of the situation.
A wolf disguised as a sheep.
9-
I wonder if you haven’t used the same tactics somewhere else to make other people appear “evil” or with bad intentions toward your person or without qualities for their roles such as editing (“It’s them, not me”).
"I (in capital letters) have done that, MY team has done that (in capital letters).
“THEY (in capital letters) insulted me. I was the victim (in capital letters).”
So some targeted volunteers would feel inexorably that you were right and would begin to distance themselves from the volunteers that you said were evil, bad to you or badmouthed you or were not good in the team, blablabla.
You didn’t take their positions?
Editors, rings a bell?
What was your excuse to explain why you took all 3 chairs?
“It’s easier to edit. They’re not competent, as I have worked with them already. You can ask to A.” (A being brainwashed by you already)
(I have to say: your attempt to critics their ability to edit has failed when I wanted to recruit you as an editor on the fan channel The Fated General, I now understand a lot of things)
I wonder…
You are tricky, it would be totally the kind of tricks you would pull actually. Done in the past, doing in the present, will do again.
French mods, if 10 dramas offer 10 mods positions.
5/6 dramas would be taken from the same duo of French mods with their secondary accounts.
They won’t let you have more chance. No, they’re reducing it.
They don’t want you to be mods on some dramas (or mods at all I would say knowing the battles), otherwise why would they create secondary accounts? It’s not for you that they do this. Clearly, they want to drive some mods away or not let the chance to new or old mods or to some teams.
It’s really selfish.
@piranna…
Is this person so important to you that you’re dedicating time and virtual ink to STILL talk to her? Moreover… what do you believe you will achieve by this? Make her acknowledge that you are right and she is wrong? (Frankly, how many people would actually do that in real life? There are a few, but they are the exception to the rule)
I made a resolution, two years ago, and I’ve kept it. And I think it was a good decision.
1/
What’s important is that everyone will be aware and future volunteers will be able to recognize her tricks and don’t be fooled again.
What’s important is she won’t get the opportunity to play with other volunteers again or to hurt them ever again.
I know 1 volunteer who’s still hurt by Linda’s ways against that person. If someone had told her before what kind of person she was, she might have not been fooled or hurt.
Prevent this from happening again and seeking justice.
It has not stopped with you or after your episode, Irmar. You might have peace, but she won’t let other volunteers have peace because we are on her way to get dramas coveted by her.
Being on Kdramas saves you, Irmar. Otherwise, you’d have been excluded on Cdramas like other editors not because of your competence, but because of her and her selfishness.
You’ve been picked editor by the CM.
Linda comes, badmouths you, tells buttery words about her person, she says everything that can be used to seduce a CM to take her (and only her). [Btw, she even suggests chief segmenter, she says I only have the best in my team (Chinese subbers, etc.) => she served me this at that time].
And you know what happens after?
The CM, fooled or afraid of losing a moderation position on Linda’s dramas, just accepts what Linda says and she kicked the same editor she recruited.
Questions:
A drama for ex?
An Oriental Odyssey. Go ask the CM.
With “her” words, she drove away one editor and how many more before and in the future?
Who has been fooled or used by her?
I see what you mean, but, you know, it’s the first post that actually describes the problem in an understandable way for those “not in the know”. If I were a newbie here and started to read the discussion from the beginning, I would have abandoned it, discouraged: I would think “these two are discussing something that happened between themselves”.
Being in k-dramas may have saved me of the stuff happening in C-dramas, but there is cut-throat competition there, and I have explained in another thread how difficult it is to grab a place. Those who fail to ingratiate themselves to one of the two empresses are doomed to inactivity, and they won’t be spared sarcastic comments behind their back either.
So yeah, in conclusion… life is hard and people can be annoying. But we already knew that, didn’t we?
On the other hand, today it was a beautiful sunny day with a triumphantly blue sky; my aloe vera plant is creating two flowers, my cat is safe. So all is well and I’m starting a crochet shawl for the healer who helped him.
Irmar, if all people reacted that way, then all criminals wouldn’t be in prison.
We all won’t have courts or lawyers and would only think of beautiful things when we encounter sad things.
Sometimes, you have to grab the problem at his source and pluck it out.
If you want to talk with me about something else, sure, open a topic and I will talk about the good weather (btw, I’m sick, so I can’t talk a lot XD, but if you’re okay with a Skype session, call me anytime, I kind of miss you sleeping while I’m on the line I took this bad habit from you btw, I’m sleeping with lights, glasses, computer.
But when it’s about this matter, I will persist, because I have beliefs and staying silent will only put more volunteers into the same situation.
No, some people don’t know. I assure you, some people don’t know, I have received 3 PMs already about not being aware that it happened elsewhere or that some volunteers could have gone so far.
And if some want to say they didn’t know, they can’t anymore.
So we should all face it, including this guilty volunteer.
3/
Do you know how I know her tactics? I was there when she tried these tactics with me because she wanted the Fated General drama.
2 years ago, after being slashed on the discussion, 3 PMs.
A few months ago with Fated General’s recruiting editors time (CM: me), be sure there were more than only 3 PMs, because she indeed had something to gain. At this time, I really thought of recruiting her.
Change of tone. Is it the same person?
I have no doubts anymore on how she deals with some targeted volunteers: Volunteers she can’t use, see how she talks. Volunteers she can use to have her way, read her other side that comes in handy. It’s written in black and white.
When she saw I was reluctant to give her the 3 editing jobs: she insisted and badmouthed other editors on a well-known Cdrama (I hid the title, but some volunteers know which drama I’m talking about).
Insisting, magnifying to have it, badmouthing other editors, I would add even more: it’s too much. It seems perfect, but she’s far from being it.
Is it how she got editing positions and CM in her pocket?
4/
After sensing I would only let her the GE chair because I want a team, not 1 person for a team’s work, do you know what she did?
Do you think she has given up only after that 1st attempt of manipulation against me? She went to see my friend.
She wanted to use Anna to get to me, because she knows my relationship with her. Go plead and convince.
You can go ask Anna.
See how hard she tries to have her ways?
Even using my friend for a drama? Has she wanted to put pressure on her or inspire empathy so she would tell me a word?
Using tricks again and again.
Who would do this??
5/
And has it stopped after not having this drama in her hands?
No, she has the intent to sabotage the dramas I have.
Why?
For revenge because she didn’t get what she wanted? Because I didn’t agree?
She used the CM of another drama where she’s CE, TE, GE to recommend me Chinese translators. And at this time, the drama needed Chinese translators. But do you know what?
Her, herself, she didn’t accept these subbers on her dramas and she only wants the best, right? Why would she recommend me these subbers? Do you know what the TE discovered after that about these subbers?
I’m letting people find out.
If she knows enough Chinese to TEdit it, she can’t say that she didn’t know it was fake recommendations.
Deliberately fake recommendations, you can ask the TE and the CM she used to recommend translators.
I’m not the only one to know that person’s true personality, some others had to deal with her.
Be aware.
Premise:
I have no idea of the particular incident between the two of you regarding that Chinese drama. I also have no idea about this person’s skills in Chinese or editing (I just know she’s an inspired writer). So what I will say are only my general thoughts on the formation of English teams and the roles within them.
So please take it as a side note in the discussion, not at all relevant to anyone’s behaviour in that particular instance.
1. Harmony within the English team
It is very important that Translation Editor, General Editor and Chief English Editor are in complete harmony and that they are humble, appreciative and respectful of each other’s skills and role in making the best possible result.
It makes sense that the Chief Editor suggests and has a saying in the hiring of the whole English team. Because s/he is the one who will have the last word, the final responsibility of how the English looks and doesn’t want people in the team who will go against this vision, this concept. (I’ve had TEs who went after me to change my sentences to grammatically wrong English in order to make it more precisely matching the original Korean. Without asking, without discussion. I was so pissed, I was literally fuming.) So I do understand this point.
When I am Chief Editor I always ask to be the one who hires the rest of the English Team and try to get collaborators not only skilled but, very importantly, people I’m comfortable working with and who share the same vision.
If I were CM, would I give the Chief Editor I trust the power to hire the whole team if she wishes to? Definitely yes. But of course it should be a Chief Editor I trust.
2. A team vs. one-person doing all.
I lately I have worked in quite a few projects as GE under cgwm808, one of the most experienced Chief Editors of k-dramas here or rather the most experienced who has worked on an incredible number of projects and whose name is a synonym for quality. Well, this lady is fluent in Korean and, whenever needed, is capable of filling in for absent Ko-En subbers, to the point of sometimes subbing more than half of an episode herself. However, she always has a T.E. and a G.E. (sometimes more than one). Why? Is it only because she has lots of projects and cannot or won’t do everything on a single project herself? I don’t know, we’d have to ask her, of course, cannot speak for someone else. But my guess is that it’s probably not the only reason, but a safety measure to ensure even better quality. The human eye sometimes guesses to “see” what it knows is right rather than what it actually sees. A second pair of eyes, a different perspective is always useful. Sometimes even the perspective of someone who does not know the source language, thus can have the “innocent” eye of the final viewers. Or the perspective of someone who is not a native English-speaker, so might ignore some slang words or need acronyms explained.
If I were CM, would I give all four chairs to a single person? If I were sure that the person 1) had the skills (judging from past work and trusted references) and 2) didn’t have any other projects at the time, I might. I don’t find it shocking or anything. It doesn’t necessarily have to be a team. Although I would also wonder, in a back corner of my mind, how come this person hasn’t built a net of trusted collaborators to share the job with.
I have always worked as a lone translator in real life, but here at Viki I’ve found that working with others can sometimes be a hassle but it can also be exciting and fun.
Post-scriptum
Now I am thinking, is this post useful? Actually, no, it doesn’t offer anything to this conversation which is about behaviour among volunteers. It might be interesting in another more general thread about volunteering.
Should I delete it, then? (Just thinking aloud here).
I’ll see what I do. I have a whole week to consider this option. Too lazy right now.