Spam hunt! What to do with Viki Comment Policy's violator?

Wow! It’s been a long time, it’s good to see you back here :slight_smile:

At first, I felt like it was harassment, too.
“Why do they always ask for subs?”
“The videos just got there?”

Some time ago, it made me really cranky to read some comments and reviews because in the managing position, you have to check reviews, comments and timed comments, talk with viewers, talk with moderators, talk with editors, talk with chief segger, tell this, tell that, make sure nothing is wrong, the scripts are there, when someone is not here and you can substitute, you spend a lot of short nights and you become really cranky not only towards viewers only, but even towards volunteers (sometimes, you even try to subtitle because there’s no one and sometimes, you dare not because you might have subtitled the first part of the sentence correctly, but the second part… but incredibly, I have found me progress better when I was thinking on how to sub it when I was indeed trying).
There were a lot of times where I felt helpless, but I don’t particularly say it to anyone.
There are lot things to do, you don’t always have the resources so if you don’t do it, no one else will do it for you, you have to invest a lot more of energy, time that you miss awfully and when you read comments of viewers saying that just ask this and that, only asking for more (and you’re already giving a lot, go through a lot but they don’t see it), you’re like, “hell, I just worked half of the day, slept 5 hours, spent my remaining time on fixing problems on Viki (and when the website is bugging) and why only new problems are adding?” A big moment of solitude…

A time ago, I know I might have communicated this crankiness to my editors, they must have felt it? When I realized that I was becoming someone I didn’t want to be, it made me really reflect on myself. I was not happy with myself, I was not happy with the way I was doing things. How I could better work with my team and editors? How I could better control myself and my feelings? How I could help in the most effective way in the team?
I don’t want to become someone I’m not or someone I don’t want to be or be like viewers, sometimes being not polite or be angry at viewers because they ask for what? (subs) I don’t want to be manipulated by anyone or that viewers impact my well-being. And I’m the most afraid to become someone I’d hate to talk to, or to be someone who can’t understand others. In short, someone without empathy.
Sometimes, when you invest yourself in projects on Viki, you begin to be more sensitive to some things and change for some reason. About sensitive, I think the most effective way to get on the bad side of any volunteer should be about the speed of subs. And some viewers really know how to push this wrong button…

So I’ve decided not to take anything personally, coming from viewers or volunteers.
If they want to ask for subs, then they can ask. I don’t feel like it’s harassment anymore.
One, it’s because I changed my view on this. Now, I use their comments to know if there are some people in a certain language who watch it, look for a moderator in this language, or to motivate moderators by telling them that they have an audience and their subs will be watched almost immediately and not be in vain.
I also use their comments to “educate them.” When I’m in a good mood (so I won’t regret it later), I want to make them discover how it works, why they have to wait, that we didn’t give up,…
Now, when I see comments asking for subs, I don’t see it as a threat but as an opportunity and a good sign that people are watching this drama and are really interested in this drama to be so impatient :slight_smile: Quite reassuring, no?
So I take more pleasure in answering while having this in mind.

What I like also, is to share the same excitement with viewers, share songs, share the future dramas they will play in, share the book that inspired it… I really like to exchange with them about something else than just “asking for subs”, but hope they discover more.

I also use their comments to tell that we are recruiting volunteers to help us. And sometimes, it works :slight_smile:
Same with pm about subs, I was really surprised when the French mod told me that the reviewer listened to her and removed her review, it just shows that some viewers can understand us or be more reasonable than what they seem in the first impression.

Same with pm, there was one person who always asked me about French subs.
I explained and I told him Happy New Year of the Pig!

And guess what, he was muslim… I really didn’t know! So we started to talk about something else than subs and it was nice to change the flow of the message and this change was coming from both of us.
I ended with “A demain !” = See you tomorrow! because I was waiting for his usual pm tomorrow and he said “A demain if you’d like to” but I didn’t get one… I’m kind of sad because I wanted to know more…

So that’s why, I want to say: take it as an opportunity.
Maybe, not everyone will listen to you or understand you, but some will and it will leave you with a big smile :slight_smile:

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@piranna
I propose you make a post for wishing list, because I think it will burst the “Spam hunt! post”.
I think it would be nice to reflect over what would be our Viki ideal.

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Sorry, I’ve been feeling really talkative nowadays :slight_smile: I promise, I’m stopping here :blush:

No worries, it’s just another big topic. :wink:

For the Kor-Eng team, we have almost unanimously decided it is VERY VERY VERY annoying. So I will continue to flag the ones in English, for all the shows I work on/am marathoning. The most irksome are the ones that ask for subtitles MONTHS AND MONTHS even years after the show is all subtitled.

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This is surely true. But not all sub-whiners are the same.
Some of them genuinely don’t know and are willing to learn about how it all works. And I am one of the people who takes the time to write informative posts in a non-aggressive manner, just in case the person is in good faith, just came here, and just in case they are on listening mode. I’ve written many dozens of such posts trying to help newbies understand.
But when the comment section is full of polite and thoughtful posts by me, you, marykarmelita and so many other volunteers, posts that explain things, but the sub-whiners don’t even take the trouble to read them, or still argue, or when their tone is “Where are my f***ng subtitles, I’m paying you and I demand service”, or “subbers are really lazy on this show”, then my patience wears thin, because I understand that when I reply to one, there will be ten others after him who haven’t read my explanation and if they did, they don’t want to hear it.
If I had the power, I would just pin one of those explanatory posts on top of every comment section (a short version with link to a more detailed version, because many people don’t have the patience to read long posts), and, after the subs are 100% ready, would delete all the comments about subs, which are non-relevant to the future viewers, so that those viewers could enjoy the conversation about the drama. Just as I do with the timed comments.

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The Channel Managers have the power to pin posts. Ask your CMs!

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@sophie2you They do but some either don’t know, or won’t do it.

As it is the weekend, could someone kindly help out flagging.
https://disqus.com/home/discussion/vikiorg/my_id_is_gangnam_beauty_watch_full_episodes_free_korea_tv_shows_rakuten_viki/#comment-4369824417
https://www.viki.com/tv/36424c-my-id-is-gangnam-beauty

The comment is now 20 hrs old.

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Spam crusade report:

  • Went through all the comments and marked all subzplz from last 2 days as spam. This includes the comment with the illegal site.

  • Did not touch Reviews.

The Portugese moderator on the project is communicating well with the folks. However, she, the Spanish and the Italian mod should go in and mark spam on a daily basis, as those three groups of languages have the biggest number of complainers.

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It’s the weekend: Spammer alert
https://www.viki.com/tv/36110c-i-picked-up-a-celebrity-on-the-street
Not only at this channel, but from 3 within minutes to 8 with the trend to go all the way. A new account therefore I flagged the Viki account first.
https://www.viki.com/users/kimjoungsouk09/overview
https://disqus.com/by/viki-1989cd6a7063d43c163916bc16077bc1/
If you have the time it would be nice if you could do as well. I don’t know though if flagging the account gets the deletion faster, but let’s try.

THANKS, THIS ONE IS SOLVED, SO NO NEED FOR FURTHER ACTION.

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Omg… The comment section in this channel is in such a bad state. Why aren’t mods and the rest of the team doing anything?

@bozoli
Seems to be a first “on air” channel for channel manager, so maybe she doesn’t know how, or gave up on the comment section.

She could tell ANY of the moderators to do it. They could share the job. Anything!

You know, I recently did a whole drama where I wasn’t even on the team, because I was watching it and I was too bothered. So I asked the CM and she added me as a moderator (although it had ended two months before) and I cleaned it up completely, now it’s innocent like a newborn. It was “Devilish Joy”.
But that was a special case, I can’t be doing this for every drama, of course. Let their own team members do it! The only other drama where I would volunteer to do this work would be Secret Love Affair. The amount of vulgarity on TC is repulsive.

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Sorry, first thing in the morning - “Someone wants to play”
Once again for one reason only created Viki account:
https://www.viki.com/users/almeeraqueena2015_81/overview
https://disqus.com/by/viki-d70c43be14d59fd6615f30404aa5b939/
This time only Chinese dramas, and Yanxi Palace a 2nd time.
Please flag the account. If you have the ability the comments.

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@irmar
I too at some point get involved, when people ruining the mood on a channel, or let’s say when some people are so confused by their obsession for drama, that they are loosing objectivity, or maybe never had it.
They are making contracts and do not know what it is about, they think they know, and then they are putting in comments left and right, thinking it’s something accounted for by their subscription, when it’s not.
There is no reasoning either, but it would all fall under spamming, and they are not aware of what they are doing. I think my life would be really in a bad state, if I were to write such comments only about “Where are the subs?” - and we all know that this would be the kindest version.
I saw one particular commenter having almost 200 comments in the past weeks, and you could easily say it’s 99 percent “asking” for subs.
I don’t think we volunteers should only do the cleaning job. Cleaners should be payed, since it is time-consuming, mind-numbing and doesn’t give you anything back, except for a few thank yous here and there.

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New violator in the house, brand new Viki account therefore don’t waste your time flagging the comments go to the source and flag the Viki account, violation cause - placing a link of a streaming option
Viki ID https://www.viki.com/users/sherinna972/overview

Affected channels:
https://www.viki.com/tv/32140c-prince-of-wolf
https://www.viki.com/tv/36049c-sweet-dreams
https://www.viki.com/tv/35817c-ashes-of-love
https://www.viki.com/tv/36477c-i-hate-you-juliet
https://www.viki.com/tv/36110c-i-picked-up-a-celebrity-on-the-street

Thank you once again for helping out.

CASE IS CLOSED COMMENTS DELETED - THANK YOU!

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So, ironically because you were so proactive, I now don’t have proof to report the Viki user :smiley: I can’t find her Disqus username.

Sorry, this morning comment was still there. Now it’s deleted. But I really don’t get why they do not delete the accounts … Is it less trouble, less attention, I don’t know what to think about it.

But if Viki or disqus deleted the comments, they know whose comments they deleted a little while ago?